Well, uh. There are 5 magics, and one of the 5 magicians killed the original vampire moon god. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. Now picture a third Brother that is so big, the Amalgam Brothers are 2 drops of water next to the ocean. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. Air Legend. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. " @Silver2467 said: "The two fought before. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. 11 years ago. • 1 year ago. . PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. 2 years ago. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. R1: PRB toys with Class 1-A, turning Bakugo into fireworks, Mineta grapes, Tsuyu a real frog you get the gist. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. PR Beyonder. 2 years ago. i wanna hear mr. Forum Posts. I got this idea from the "PR-Beyonder vs Galactus" thread. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. 63 results. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. 1344. Since his feats and stuff have. This is a toss up. Silver Age Superman doesn't have universe+ feats which the Cosmic Cube Beyonder had and PR Beyonder was beyond multiverse+ level. This group is a joke compared to Celestials. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. The guy could probably trick PR Beyonder into. PR Beyonder wins. Since he knows past. MJJ is top 5 in Marvel for reality warping, but he has very limited actual feats, but its. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. 0. And the LT he beat was undefined. ago. None of them have ever specifically resisted speed force speed stealing. very mutch doubt that. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. the only times I see pr beyonder being Blinked by accident is by those above the endless. I'm using universe very loosely here; we're probably on the scale of. Forums. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. I just think with 15 minutes, they can pull something off. lannfear. I’m goin wit Batman. R4: Mr. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. Beyonder is the bigger god. PR Beyonder was TOAA in the beyond realm. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. The Crimson King. Wiki Points. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". Apr 2014. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a drop in the. Beyonder in a curbstomp. Merely has ultimate molecular control. The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers. Followers. Magic, on the other hand, is stuff you can’t do with science, it’s the realm of basically gods in Fate. 9 years ago. Apr 2014. Bump. Home Lists Doctor Manhattan Vs. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. Edit: Oh yea, pretty sure that Oblivion is the one that. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. they have quite the lineup. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. One on one, most people would say that PR. Beyonder was either just omnipotent or the closest to it that anyone has gotten without being it. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. ago. deactivated-5edd330f57b65. MM is powerful enough to rebuild the marvel multiverse completely from scratch, and he was nowhere near as strong as PR Beyonder when they fought during SW2. Side note: I'm using this version of. So adding that power to the PR Beyonder powered Victor vs IG and CC Thanos makes this a stomp is Dooms favor in my opinion. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. The beams are a secondary power to the effect. Wiki Points. Perfect teamwork. is TOAA, or at least part of him. Dr Manhattan Vs The Beyonder. "@Decoy Elite: sorry for bumping this thread but I needed to reply to. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. Elaine Belloc; HOTU ThanosCant find this either O_O; Im sure this was done though. When Thor had the Odin Force, all I had really seen him do. Martian (Martian Manhunter) 3. The beat LT list is: TOAA, anyone with the Heart of the Universe, PR Beyonder, PR Moleculeman, MoM The match or near match LT list is: and experienced Infinity Gauntlet User The upscale but still. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to. Composite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. Oh, and Doom has a gun. Forum Posts. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. The one who shines like Gold upon the Sea of Chaos can beat Cosmic Armor Superman. It would also destroy the. The biggest parallel would be the Beyonder, IMO (or possibly the Beyonders). TOAA is above all. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Forum Posts. Follow 3313. . 13 votes, 12 comments. Another statement made about. 63 results. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. Doom. 13 years ago. Exists alongside all of Heaven in Creation inside of the story. Followers. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Perfect teamwork. There are some moments where Beyonder was oddly weak during Secret Wars 2, but his consistent portrayal was ridiculous. Beyonder wins this, Lucifer along with his brother Michael are equal to LT, and PR Beyonder is better than LT any day of the week. Flagged (sorry!) 11 years ago. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. 6th. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. PR Beyonder can also create and destroy multiverses (reality, dimensions, etc) at a higher level than even the Living Tribunal can. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". Knowsbleed33 says: "PR Beyonder took out a group of Celestials with ease. 4 years ago. Reviews. That feat alone puts him solidly above Lucifer who's best "multiversal" feat was destroying the mirrors, which he didn't even do by himself. Omnipotence and omniscience. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Victory by permanent death or erasure. She surpasses him in raw power by far. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal. Beyonder easily. " Current as in the old man with parkinson's. @laflux said: MOM. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. However, that is NOT always the most accurate way to decipher a victory. Marvel (and DC for that matter) didn’t have anythin beyond Multiverses back then in their cosmology. Round 1: CAS vs. Adm1ralSnackbar. And,DC cosmology is encompassed by the story of Superman CAS embodies. I don't think Living Tribunal was there, neither was oblivion. London, UK. This is a massive mismatch. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. @majestic99. His will is law. Posts. Current Beyonder should be very close to PR I'd say, they've established that the current version hasn't been retconned to a Ivory King and his final feat was leaving the Marvel multiverse. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. He. Just no. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. g2_ Follow 14321. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. Build Your Own Omnitrix. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. 2. 0. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". Why would a reality warper have any effect on a Biblical angelic being? The concept and idea of divinity, as in, coming from God, is a concept that Marvel lacks. Reviews: 0. Yeah PR Beyonder is completely broken Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. Of this, The Beyonder is the Supreme Being of that Outerverse, which is orders of magnitude larger than the Infinite Multivwrse. Protege and Mad Jim Jaspers are kind of wild cards. #41 cdavis6149. Overthinks_Questions • 1 yr. vs. Follow 7842. This isn't a battle,Its an execution. @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. 4 years ago. The Demon of Elru. Who is a better god like figure? PR Beyonder, even when defeated, knew exactly what was going on and even came back to humiliate Doom and show how irrelevant his plan was. 0. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. Beyonder saying he's omnipotent or gaining back his powers doesn't confirm his omnipotence. 3 years ago. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. 3rd. Like, guys, just focus on like a planetary thing or even a system wide thing. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. Because PR Beyonder was a multiverse personified, so does that mean that each of these new Beyonders are also their own Multiverse? No. BEYONDERGOD. "TOAA & The Presence play the same respective roles in DC and Marvel. 7740. It was obvious there that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would absolutely ra-pe a 100% Galactus. They are not the same character. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Morals off. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. 13 years ago. anyways Q isn't omnipotent either and he doesn't have any feats that rival PR Beyonder so PR Beyonder. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. Put MM on the other team and the result is the same. PR Beyonder's best feat is embodying a realm beyond the multiverse. Kami Tenchi by many (not me though) is considered a Multiversal God. Battle 1SpidermanBatman Captin America Deadpool Storm Magneto Cyclops Wolverine Kitty Pryde Jean Grey(without PF) Juggernaut Red Hulk Savage Hulk Grey@Pr_Beyonder said: " Did Lucifer make an Dc's appearences? or is Vertigo accounted for when refferencing DC(I know they're the same company:P)? " Lucifer made 2 cameo appearances in the third. Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is. Okay I've got a theory, you're either a bot or a really young kid who's interested in Battleboarding and is just throwing random characters out to see what's happening. Followers. However Lucifer ig is the same. Forums. A fraction is still much more power than basic reality warping. Elaine seems to stomp everyone else, but can she defeat PR Beyonder? Nihilist. One Above All (Stan Lee) Fulcrum (Jack Kirby) Living Tribunal. -5. 4 years ago. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. agreed the PR beyonder was kind of like a super amped version of the loeb force 13 years ago. %Pr "this is not pre-con beyonder, it's cosmic cube being beyonder and a full power PF would be white crown who both these people can't beat 14 years ago. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. The closest I can think of are Lucifer Morningstar and/or Michael. New Comics. It has been shown that in Guardians of The Galaxy (1990) #49-50 that The Living Tribunal has judgement over the Beyonder, the same Beyonder people consider to be the PR Beyonder (PR = Pre-Retconned) which iirc takes place around the same time in Fantastic Four (1961) #319 or at the very least has similar continuity. (The bKorvac wields Power Cosmic. PR Beyonder was also a beast, without equal that was ever created orignally in it's existence (by Marvel). Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Even The. FollowAny who PR Beyonder wins against any Jesus since his only "feats" are raising the dead, reviving after 3 days, turning water into wine and some other bits of lesser magic. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. Primal monitor has done zilch, but its implied that he was similar to PR beyonder. Follow 8649. at the time "Don't make me post a pic of you in that one armor. TR was created by this. RULES:Morals off. Next panel PR Beyonder moonwalks onto the scene. PR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. Wiki Points. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Decoy Elite: Hey,Disco suits were B. Their mere Taikyoku trashes on both Molecule man and PR Beyonder. 1 Winner: The Beyonder. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". @majestic99. As stated, numerous times throughout secret wars and in separate interviews with the creator (shooter) the beyond realm (and thus the beyonder's power) was MILLIONS OF TIMES greater than the marvel multiverse (again, Pre retcon this is ALL of marvel and. Also you asked who in Marvel is more powerful than PR Beyonder, so there's no. Mxyzptlk. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. This topic is locked from further discussion. Phoenix is on par with those guys. Oh wait that would mean auto win to Marvel. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. Followers. Matezoide2. Fulcrum. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. -5. PR Beyonder is actually that powerful. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. Even a fight between Dr Manhattan and Franklin Richards, Manhattan out 9/10 lose. Basically this. Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. 6,407. 11 years ago. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. 2. Forum Posts. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Representing Marvel:ThanosDr DoomPre-recton BeyondeSorry Merc. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. I haven't been keeping up, but that sounds interesting. This topic is locked from further discussion. It's more like PR Molecule Man was in a unique situation to fight Beyonder because Molecule Man's powers were derrived from PR Beyonder's Dimension. Jul 30, 2018. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Even 16D beings like LT, Eternity are nowhere as powerful as PR Beyonder, so Beyonder still wins, deal with it. While Manhattan is a multiversal entity tribunal is. Jul 30, 2018. Follow 26437. Forum Posts. After the retcon (1st one) that all changed, but not before it. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Even with her 50/50 negated by her spear, Gungnir, Othinus is in no way comparable to the likes of PR Beyonder or even Beyonder post-retcon. PR Beyonder. 0. They might ruffle his soul-glo hair though, which wouldn't end well for them. 5 tons to punch a car. Round 1: CAS vs. PR Beyonder solo with utter ease. Marvel has stated that Beyonder is the TOAA of his own reality and the Marvel Universe is only a droplet of water compared to that reality or something to that effect. New Comics. User. Follow 10594. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. 0. But tbh I think Lucifer is just a smarter fighter. Also, what would you rank him as? A. PR Beyonder is comparable to at least 3 magicians combined, he stomps unbelievably hardPR Beyonder changed the entirety of the universe at his whim. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . elaine ftw. 7. Forum Posts. The Beginners Guide To Comics:. R3: Pre-Crisis Superman. Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. also the living tribunal couldnt even do anything to PR beyonder. 11 years ago. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. Beyonder wins this, Lucifer along with his brother Michael are equal to LT, and PR Beyonder is better than LT any day of the week. 313. Friend showed me a comic on this guy about a year ago,told me it was a very popular fan- fic,I was orginally going to make this my first thread but IPre Retcon Beyonder. Michael and Lucy. ReplyFor this fight: PR MM was written to be above any entity from Marvel Ominverse, except PR Beyonder of course. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. Wiki Points. He couldn't erase Death. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. 0. deactivated-5e0e83bb0dbb5. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. 10 months ago. And to OP I say Korvac wins this. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. 0. In fact, God Doom, who possessed. i mean ya the pr beyonder and dr solar are apparently omnipotent , but you should not forget the phoenix . Roshi in a heartbeat. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. PR Beyonder. this was stated by Jim Shooter the creator of Secret Wars and the beyonder. #9 Edited By Supreme Marvel. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. #6 Edited By icecream1991. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. 0. So who wins this epic clash to end all clashes? Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet. IMO, PR Beyonder can outdo anything Bill can do and more. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. See moreJoin this channel to get access to perks:…PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. And of course the LT himself. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one.